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Another town that set limits on hotel size

We are not alone. Take a look at this story about another small town that made a decision about its future: http://www.whidbeynewstimes.com/news/22070969.html#
Ralph Hutchinson July 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM
Imagine that, but Larry the difference is this town has a City Council that showed independent leadership and took initiative, ours is weak and conflicted by gifts and benefits and in the pocket of the developers. Sad. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- QUOTE: "While a committee in Oak Harbor is begging and pleading with developers to build a giant hotel and convention center on the waterfront, the Coupeville Town Council has made sure that will never happen there.Last week, the council passed an ordinance that limits any hotels or motels built in the future to just 10 rooms. In addition, the council members approved an eight-room cap on bed and breakfast establishments in the commercial district."
Chris Scott July 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM
Mr Barnett: A little more information for perspective; the events were 6 years ago, 2008, and on Whidbey Island is the largest of nine islands located in Island County, Washington. An island in Puget Sound, north of Seattle. Tourism miniscule compared of CA's wine country. It rains all the time in Seattle Washington Puget Sound. And, the circumstances were a bit different. Interesting these events were reported on the same date, in 2008. Coupleville is 10% the size of Sonoma. Oak Harbor is more than twice the size of Sonoma. ................................................................................................ Whidbey NEWS-Times ............................................................ Coupeville, Washington TOWN COUNCIL LOCKS IN HOTEL SIZE LIMIT, JULY 3, 2008 • UPDATED 1:04 PM Population in 2011: 1,834. Population change since 2000: +6.4% Males: 812 (44.3%) Females: 1,022 (55.7%) Median resident age: 51.1 years Washington median age: 46.6 years “ Last week, the council passed an ordinance that limits any hotels or motels built in the future to just 10 rooms. In addition, the council members approved an eight-room cap on bed and breakfast establishments in the commercial district. The limit of two rooms for bed and breakfasts in the residential district was not changed.Town Planner Larry Cort said he isn't aware of any plans to build a large hotel in Coupeville. ................................................................................................ Oak Harbor, Washington A NEW HOTEL FOR OAK HARBOR'S WATERFRONT JULY 3, 2008 • UPDATED 12:31 PM Population: 22,239 (2011) Density 2,343.4/sq mi (904.8/km2) Metro 78,506 ................................................................................................ Oak Harbor is a couple of steps closer to getting a waterfront hotel/convention center that backers hope will revitalize the downtown business area. A group of area business people have contracted to purchase 4.5 acres on the waterfront near Flintstone Park in the curve of Bayshore Drive. The site is targeted for a project that may someday include a convention center, a 150-room destination hotel, a resort and possibly a performing arts center. .......................... ...many different community efforts are coming together to revitalize a downtown area that is pockmarked by closed storefronts and ailing businesses. Since the early 1970s, city leaders have puzzled over the decline of the downtown area and have put together plans to revitalize it. Chris Scott
Chris Scott July 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM
Mr Barnett; Coupeville also implemented an ordinance limiting auto idle time in the town in 2008. Chris Scott
Larry Barnett July 18, 2013 at 12:03 PM
Thanks for the additional information Chris, that's interesting. I guess their smaller size is why their room limitation was so low, and why no provision was made for applications for a larger hotel when annual occupancy justified the need for a greater number of lodging rooms.
Ralph Hutchinson July 18, 2013 at 02:29 PM
I've been to Victoria, worked out on the San Juan Islands at banks, and had a good friend who sailed a tall ship in and around the San Juan Islands taking tourists for a summer and there were quiet a few tourists out there.
M Cunningham July 18, 2013 at 02:34 PM
Obviously the People were supportive of the City Council move to limit number of rooms in new developments I didn't hear of any recalls like I am hearing planned for Sonoma City Council when this fiasco "process" is over. It will be time to clean house starting with Brown, Rouse and Cook. At lease Gallian and Barbose see the stupidity in this impact report.
sal nero July 18, 2013 at 03:10 PM
Chris Scott=wikipedia master Forget the numbers, the facts are that Whidbey is even more of an island than Sonoma and suffers even more severe seasonal swings. Also similar is that the local paper and chamber desire, and a more reasonable one, to raise extra revenue because they have less options than Sonoma. Nevertheless, Coupeville learned from the Holmes Harbor fiascos not to trust their bucolic existence to developers. That is what Anderson, Bolling and hotel numbers whiz Chris Scott will never understand. There are some things more meaningful than money for its own sake !
Chris Scott July 19, 2013 at 02:38 AM
Larry Barnett July 18, 2013 at 09:03 am "Thanks for the additional information Chris, that's interesting. I guess their smaller size is why their room limitation was so low, and why no provision was made for applications for a larger hotel when annual occupancy justified the need for a greater number of lodging rooms." ................................................................................................ Mr Barnett; I'm not sure your conclusions necessarily follow since the article makes no mention of Coupeville's overall hotel situation and data to make a comparison between the two towns. Interesting coincidence, Coupeville July 2008; Sonoma July 2013. Got this weeks winning lotto numbers? Chris Scott
Ralph Hutchinson July 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM
In a Real Estate cycle and in the context of a Real Estate market assessment, 5 years make very little difference when normalizing data. So 2008 or 2013 is statistically sound comparison in the Comercial Real Estate Finance industry which I've worked in for 25+ years. Got this weeks Cornerstone Art/Food/Wine/Lawn Garden schedule?
Chris Scott July 20, 2013 at 03:56 PM
Chris Scott July 20, 2013 at 12:27 pm Ralph Hutchinson July 19, 2013 at 09:29 am In a Real Estate cycle and in the context of a Real Estate market assessment, 5 years make very little difference when normalizing data. So 2008 or 2013 is statistically sound comparison in the Comercial Real Estate Finance industry which I've worked in for 25+ years. Got this weeks Cornerstone Art/Food/Wine/Lawn Garden schedule? .................................................................................................... Mr Hutchinson; ........................... It was not a comparison. I wrote it was a coincidence - the occurrence of events that happen at the same time by accident but seem to have some connection. No, no .... it, it was serendipity, that's it - the faculty or phenomenon of finding valuable or agreeable things not sought for. Statistics? The probability of you and statistics is somewhere south of zero evidenced here vividly. Chris Scott

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